[VM] gmail issue

[Uday Reddy]

When I send a message to the viewmail-info mailing list from this email
account (***@gmail.com) I don't get a copy of the message back to
the account. I don't recall this happening a few months ago.

I wonder if anybody else is experiencing this problem?

(I save outgoing messages in "Sent" which becomes "[IMAP]/Sent" on gmail. I
wonder if gmail thinks that I already have a copy of the message in my
account and kills the new copy coming into my Inbox?)

Cheers,
Uday

PS. When I logged into the gmail webmail it served up 4 ads for me: 3 on
"bug control" companies in my region and one on some software built on top
of VMWare.

[James Freer]

Post by Uday Reddy
When I send a message to the viewmail-info mailing list from this email
the account. I don't recall this happening a few months ago.
I wonder if anybody else is experiencing this problem?
(I save outgoing messages in "Sent" which becomes "[IMAP]/Sent" on gmail. I
wonder if gmail thinks that I already have a copy of the message in my
account and kills the new copy coming into my Inbox?)
Cheers,
Uday

Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles
replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me
think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case.... your
problem could disappear.

james

[Uday Reddy]

Post by James Freer
Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles
replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me
think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case.... your
problem could disappear.

There do seem to be changes... and bugs. The gmail IMAP server is not at
present responding to the LOGOUT command. So, VM hangs waiting to hear back
from the server. I hope they will fix this soon.

Post by James Freer
Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you
post to a list. We have been told they view this as a `feature'
which there is no control over.
Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-(

Yeah, I think they have made an ill-thought out change here. There are
possible work-arounds in VM using virtual folders. I will post them here
when I have them working.

Cheers,
Uday

[James Freer]

Post by Uday Reddy

Post by James Freer
Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles
replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me
think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case.... your
problem could disappear.

There do seem to be changes... and bugs. The gmail IMAP server is not at
present responding to the LOGOUT command. So, VM hangs waiting to hear back
from the server. I hope they will fix this soon.

Post by James Freer
Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you
post to a list. We have been told they view this as a `feature'
which there is no control over.
Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-(

Yeah, I think they have made an ill-thought out change here. There are
possible work-arounds in VM using virtual folders. I will post them here
when I have them working.
Cheers,
Uday

Uday

Trouble is you spend time doing mods for users and then gmail change things. I
want to use VM but for the moment i've stayed with alpine. The last time we were
in touch i was going to install Xubuntu 12.04 only to discover that it was still
on Emacs 23. Stunnel gave trouble and Emacs 24 was solving this. I've had so
much to do i haven't tried xubuntu 12.11 so the next upgrade for me will be
13.04 when i hope to have VM running.

many thanks for all your hard work.
james

[Mark Diekhans]

Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you
post to a list. We have been told they view this as a `feature'
which there is no control over.

Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-(

Post by Uday Reddy
When I send a message to the viewmail-info mailing list from this email
the account. I don't recall this happening a few months ago.
I wonder if anybody else is experiencing this problem?
(I save outgoing messages in "Sent" which becomes "[IMAP]/Sent" on gmail. I
wonder if gmail thinks that I already have a copy of the message in my
account and kills the new copy coming into my Inbox?)
Cheers,
Uday
PS. When I logged into the gmail webmail it served up 4 ads for me: 3 on
"bug control" companies in my region and one on some software built on top
of VMWare.

[Uday Reddy]

Post by Uday Reddy
When I send a message to the viewmail-info mailing list from this email
the account. I don't recall this happening a few months ago.

I have done some testing to find out what gmail is doing. As we know, gmail
doesn't have folders. All your messages go into a single message-base, and
folders are a front for the different labels that one might put on the
messages in this single message-base.

If you use the IMAP-FCC header to put your outgoing messages in some folder
(say "Sent") then, when a regular copy of your message arrives, gmail
recognizes that it is already there in your message-base and silently drops
the new copy. If you don't use IMAP-FCC, then it seems that the new copies
do arrive in your INBOX.

The easiest way to get around the difficulty is to combine your INBOX and
Sent folder into a single virtual folder. Here is what you might put in
your .vm file:

(defun gmail-folder (folder)
"Short hand function for referring to gmail folders."
(format "imap-ssl:imap.gmail.com:993:%s:login:YOUR-LOGIN-ID:*" folder))

(add-to-list 'vm-virtual-folder-alist
`("gmail"
(
,(list (gmail-folder "INBOX") (gmail-folder "Sent"))
(any))))

(defun gmail ()
"Visit the combined gmail INBOX & Sent folders."
(interactive)
(vm-visit-virtual-folder "gmail"))

Then doing `M-x gmail' should show you the combined INBOX and Sent folders.

Cheers,
Uday